So last night I had gone to attend this Quixtar/BWW seminar, upon invitation from a friend, who is an IBO in the Quixtar family now. The presentation was slick, the speaker professional. I was told the dress code was formal, so I went in shirts and trousers. But I was still under-dressed, because everyone else had shown up in suits and ties. The people were nice and friendly, but the whole environment had this omnious feeling like in those movies where everything was nice and bright, but something dark and murky lurked deep underneath the surface.
For one thing, people related to Quixtar always refer to “the business” or “the plan” or “the team”. I don't like such omnious notations. Throughout the talk, not even once they explictly declared who they actually were. It is true that there's a lot of crap on the Internet and elsewhere about Quixtar and their family of companies, and while most of it might not be true, I believe some of it still it. More than anything else, I guess I'm just opposed to the idea itself.
I was told to go in with an open mind, and I did my best. But I came out thinking that this is such an intellectually unsatisfying job. You never know the big picture. You're always in this hierarchy. If something goes wrong and “the team” doesn't show up, what do you do? What about all these Quixtar products? Who is quality testing them? If Quixtar has so much money, why don't they advertise their products? Granted that “the business” is supposed to be the advertisement, but I still don't see any harm in some extra publicity.
I could probably ramble on this for a long time. But I'll stop for now. Merchants of Deception is a must read for anyone who is planning to get into Quixtar. I'm not saying you should believe it, or consider all things said therein true. However, if you're getting exposed to all the slick presentations from those folks, you should atleast expose yourself to the other side of the story and then make a judgement for yourself.
Update November 11, 2007
205 Comments
Good post!
Absolutely, anyone who is thinking about joining should do their due diligence. Some of the quixtar promoters will encourage you not to speak to family or friends because they may have seen a “negative” different version of amway/quixtar, therefore you should only speak to someone who is successful or the person who invited you. That’s wrong, why shouldn’t you be encouraged to research as much as possible before committing? Learning from failures or other’s past experiences can be just as valuable as learning from someone who is successful.
The promoters want to get you excited and sign you up before your excitement wears off. Just make your decision based on logic and not excitement and good luck. Making an informed decision is a wise one.
p.s. You may want to ask the promoters how much your monthly operating costs will be (voicemail, website, training tapes and seminars).
Good post!
Absolutely, anyone who is thinking about joining should do their due diligence. Some of the quixtar promoters will encourage you not to speak to family or friends because they may have seen a “negative” different version of amway/quixtar, therefore you should only speak to someone who is successful or the person who invited you. That’s wrong, why shouldn’t you be encouraged to research as much as possible before committing? Learning from failures or other’s past experiences can be just as valuable as learning from someone who is successful.
The promoters want to get you excited and sign you up before your excitement wears off. Just make your decision based on logic and not excitement and good luck. Making an informed decision is a wise one.
p.s. You may want to ask the promoters how much your monthly operating costs will be (voicemail, website, training tapes and seminars). You can then calculate how much profit you’ll need to offset the overhead.
Both posts are good, as far as doing credible research. Definitely do this if you are thinking about becoming a Quixtar IBO. The idea of affiliate marketing is nothing new but it does take work to build it into successful business. I think spending less than a $100 bucks a month to operate my business was a good deal since I actually did the work and made profits. Not to mention that most of this cost is a tax deduction.
The comment about being careful to who you talk to also hits home to me because some of my own family tried to tell me not to do this IBO thing because they had seen something like it before and did not think it was going to work. Thankfully my dreams to improve my life and provide stability for my own family were strong. I almost listened to them. The moral of the story: “Be careful who you listen to, in business and in life! Make sure they have the fruit on the tree and are where you want to be in your own life.”
Hey man, I like your site, and I understand you have your opinions, but please, don’t judge our business tell you have tried it. An intelligent person takes a good look at something before making assumptions about it. All you saw was the plan of the business one time, and you tried to assume What we do. You always understand Quixtar the more times you see the plan. I am not sure about this “ominous” feeling you are talking about, because frankly it seems as if you are just looking for things to say. Man it’s a meeting not some demonic congregation. Don’t all new opportunities give you that feeling of curiosity wondering what it is all about. Right now you went into that meeting already, before you even saw anything, that you were going to put on this attitude that you are not going to be “into” the meeting and that this meeting you are not going to like, even though you said you tried, I don’t belive you tried hard enough. Had you tried hard enough, you would have been speak for Quixtar and not against it. I understand still you were just expressing your opinion, and I am doing the same here as well.
The clothes make the man. If you want persons to see and believe you to be a business owner, you should dress like one. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SUCH A STRICT DRESS CODE TO MAINTAIN THE CALIBER OF OUR BUSINESS MEETING, IT’S THE SIMPLEST OF BUSINESS ETIQUETTE THAT MANY PERSONS ARE FORGETTING NOWADAYS. Now you assume this was just some other small meeting that was just going to be pathetic and a waste of time. I am sure your friend told you were the dress code was. So many persons come to the meeting all the time, even after being told to dress professional, with a tie, but they don’t realise we were serious, till they come to the meeting. Let me ask you this: when you go to a interveiw, you wear just a pants and casual shirt? No, not if you want to be considered for the job. Quixtar is a business opportunity,a nd follows teh same principles. If someone told you they are inviting you to a business opportunity, why did you not come dressed in business attire, and I am sure everyone can agree that business attire is at least a shirt and tie. A suit is not neccessarily needed. The other persons wore suits because they chose to. Stop trying to pick out things, as if people wearing suits is a bad thing Because I can tell you I attended a meeting for another Networking company, and that meeting was so shabby. It took place in a furniture store and the presenter is not who I would call the most “professional looking” of men. However, Quixtar meetings are ALWAY held in suitable places like hotels, and the presenters wear suits to ensure that they practice what they preach. I mean if you are presenting a BUSINESS PLAN, how else you expect them to dress?
Also, they always refer to “the Business” and the “Plan” because you came here to hear about the business and the speaker is here to take time out to help show you have he can help you to turn your life around. NOT TO TALK ABOUT HIMSELF AND BOAST ABOUT HIS ACHEIVEMENS! That is not why we are here or why you took time from whatever else you could have been doing besides attedning the meeting, to listen to some talk about themsleves. Everyone likes it when you cut the chase and get to the point. Short; sweet; but yet precise. Usually they alwasy give you a breif history of their occupation-background and who they are at the end of the meeting and before.
Also, keep in mind, this is “your busiess” if some does not do what they should, it matters not, because it really wil not affect you at all. This is not like some high school project, where everyone has a role to play, and there is a deadline for the work. It’s a business. And in a busines, yes everyone works as a team, but an employer should also not rely on just one colleague. If the employer can’t rely on someone to do a patricular task, what do you do, sit and mope?! NO! you just depend on the other members in your team, or another employee. Same as quixtar, that is why we teach you its better to rely on 1% from 100 sources, than 100% from 1 source. In quixtar we also teach you how to multiply your labour force, that is why we have persons who come under us, not because ITS A PYRAMID SCHEME, BECAUSE IT IS NOT! I am not saying you sai dit was,just sying in case you were thinking it.
Persons just choose not to like our business, no mater how excellent the plan is shown to them, and then they will use all their power to show how our business is a scam, or is not as it says, or doesn’t work. I am not saying everything about quixtar is flawless. Nothing is perfect, but quixtar is a high successful company, and why do you think that is. Now, why not invest your time in your affairs and the things you must attend to, instead of writing this article. There are far more meaningful and important things in life.
We also don’t advertise because we don’t need to and choose not to. BWW is far successful without the advertising. That shows just how successful we are, where many companies rely on advertising to help them grow, we have went 30 YEARS WITHOUT IT! How you like them apples.
We rely on our IBO’S to promote the business which is what you freind was doing by inviting you to the meeting. He saw that he can help you obtain the same success that he is aiming for, but I guess you just can’t see it.
The products had been tested and proven. There is something in business known as supplies and products act. You think they are going to tell millions of persons to change their buying habits and purchase products from their business supply store: quixtar, without testing these products throughly to ensure their euthenticity?!
Let me ask you something: No one is perfect right. So none of us knows whats right from wrong, but I am sure not going to sit around and do nothing and become financial unstable for the rest of my life, when Quixtar allows me the opportunity to change it. An intelligent person ceases an opportunity and doesn’t allow it to pass them by. Now since we are not perfect, I think I would perfer to follow the Britt World Wide system, which has been proven to work for 30 plus years, rather than what you said, because, can I ask you something: Do you own a successful business?…Ok then.
Anyone can say whatever they want, that doesn’t make it true. I respect that you were just expressing your opinion, but I just had to clarify things here. I am sure even after I typed all this you will stil fine something to say in retort, by I guess that is just some people.
I leave you with these:
1. Are you going to offer me money when I need financial aid?
2. Do you have the lifestyle of luxury and peace of mind that I hope to obtain through working in this business?
3. Then why should I listen to you?
Success is achieved by following in the footsteps of those who are where you wish to be. I am assuming, eevn though I should not make assumptions, that you are not where I wish to be, so I chose to stay with Quixtar
Kenny (Bahamas)
kennyjmark@yahoo.com
There is this one thing that ends this debate- called 100% money back guarantee.
You think there is something shady? For a refundable fee, why not try it and then write what you want. The others obviously did and succeeded.
As far as the business not being too intellectually stimulating, you may be right. But, how many people have intellectually stimulating jobs? At least, you can do intellectually stimulating tasks when you want and for how long you want – you are in control of your life and money and that’s FREEDOM. That, for one, is an INTELLECTUAL choice.
Cheers,
ATAS
Kenny St. Mark-
I can’t imagine that you sell too many products when you can’t even communicate successfully. Go to college, learn some grammar, and go get a real job. Seriously…euthenticity? Don’t try to say that was a typing error, your reply is ridden with them.
Baerman
what are you think if you are at INDIA
you don’t know hindi,Gujrarat languages
so how can you understand ?
yes sure you make mistake
so, don’t go on Kenny St. Mark’s grammar
and positively think what did he want to tell us..
Amway is the Best Business of the World
Amway is AAA Rating Company and has no debts
Amway gives you 100% money back Garruntey
and the real fact is that no one can
business like Amway
cause its Products its products have dramatic results
use Amway’s Products and Feel
money can buy anything
if you have you can…
i want to say you more but I am Gujarati
and i don’t know English well..
If you are able to understand hindi or gujarati i will tell you a lot
more than 4500 pages
i have it.
so be careful don’t tell negative to anyone
HERE IS EXAMPLE
IF U WANT TO PURCHASE NEW CAR
YOU HAVE TO ASK ANY CAR OWNER
NOT BICYCLE OWNER………..OK
SO ASK ME ABOUT AMWAY I WILL TELL YOU..
DHAVAL SHAH
the_val_shah@yahoo.com
It’s quite simple. Go ask some of these “successful” IBOs to show you their financial statements (tax returns). I’m not talking about their entire tax statement, but the business portion showing you how much they ACTUALLY make from quixtar.
If they won’t show it to you, that should be a red flag. And showing you a copy of someone else’s check doesn’t cut it because of course, some people do make money, it’s just that the vast majority do not.
The clothes make the man. If you want persons to see and believe you to be a business owner, you should dress like one.
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If that is the case, the we should all dress like BILL GATES, ie. BUSINESS CASUAL, or simply casual. Now he is a BILLIONAIRE. I have met true millionaires and not the wannabees. The true millionaires do not dress flashy at all, in fact rather modest. Any one ever read THE MILLIONAIRE NEXT DOOR? Then you all get my drift.
Anyhow, BWW,The Team etc., are all long term projects and do not expect to get rich overnight. Just tell the truth, the objective is to direct business traffic to a website for purchases so you can get a kick back. Nuff said. The more your downlines buy, the more money you make, that is what it is in a nut shell.
If you want to make cold hard cash, fast and upfront, work with Specialty Merchandise Corp., or be an ebay merchant, or a direct mail marketer (snail mail or with an electronic store front).
If you want to make money out of someone elses misery, buy the real estate kits that teach you to buy property very inexpensively USING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Imagine buying a foreclosed home and selling it. There indeed many ways to skin a cat and make mucho bucks.
But I do agree, I find the VanAndels and DeVos people very nefarious, odious, unsavory and untrustworthy. Thank God DeVos lost the governors race. EeGads Republicans are just greedy people who do not want to pay their fair share of taxes. Creepy if you ask me.
If I come across as an ICONOCLAST, I am, (in the mold of Dennis Miller with some healthy dose of Jay Leno for good measure).
If you really, really REALLLYYYYY want to make money within AMWAY, BWW, etc. (drum rolls please)………
Sell the motivational books, tapes, CDs, DVD’s…that is where the REAL money is made. If not, you will be among the 99.99% who will fail and never make any money.
Oops…the cat is out of the bag…(tee hee, snicker-snicker).
If you have seen the Dateline episode, this should come as NO surprise.
Carlos, I think you got it right!
Carlos,Joecool18
how nice the person make this blog for discourage people for amway but the real thing is that it not work for this …….. so nice…
but this is true in dark black hair somewhere white hair will be…
understand … what i said…
in good community bad people are there..
bye
Dhaval,
Good luck to you. If you enjoy a business where your success comes from other’s losses, then I don;’t know how you sleep at nite.
I do not recommend quickstar for i was lured into it without a hint that it was a networking marketing.
this shows the confidence of there business, if you are so successful, then why dont you tell upfront when you first meet
i don’t recommend getting sucessful and being parasitic.
if you ever attend a meeting, you will hear a lot of CARS..stories. BMW mercedes……..blah blah
and af ocurse Hawaii too will come in picture……ROSY…
is waht i will call QUICKSTAR.
Quixtar is not a good opportunity. The vast majority who sign up end up with less money than they started with. That’s it period.
I too almost joined in quixtar. However with a gut feeling that didn’t feel right and after doing some research, I decided not to join in the game. I can’t seem to get rid of the feeling of it being a pyramid effect. Even though I was told several times that was not the case. It still just seemed like that after all the facts were given to me. I must say I have tried some of the products and was pleasantly surprised! But I don’t like the idea of having to make a list of family and friends and sit with “my mentor” and make phone calls to them to get them to join. I guess I’m just not that kind of person. I figure if this business is as lucrative as it claims then why are so many people scepticle? If there are tose of you out there and making the money, please do tell. How much do you really make?? I was surprised to learn when we started to get to the nuts and bolts of things about all the “other costs” that started coming out. I understand the hook up for the communication. Then it bacame all the business meeting,seminars, cd’s and books just to name a few!! Eventually that adds up to a lot of money. I know I could have found just customers to go to the site and possible buy, but that didn’t seem good enough. I don’t like to pressure anyone into buying into something. Like I said the company should be able to speak for itself. And when I started talking to people about doing this I got people saying all the negative things you could possibly think of. Not to mention I did have famliy members in Amway and they are no better off financially today!! So again if you are susccessful for quixtar please tell me what you actually take home doing this business. I know and fully understand it’s not a get rich quick,but if you have been at it for some time at least you should be making something for your efforts.
BE CAREFUL WITH QUIKSTAR!!!
You have to invest a lot of money into this and a lot of work. They don’t really tell you how much money you have to invest up front. Yea you can make money–maybe eventually–but make sure you know what you’re getting into. I’ve seen so many sad stories….
Most people are introduced to quikstar by a friend who says something along the lines of, “hey, I just embarked on this great business opportunity and the company is expanding, and we are looking for more people. Since you are my friend….” or something like that. BE WARE, all this is scripted!! Yes scripted! Don’t believe me, well, once you join you will be doing this too…read on. You friend who you think that you knew well will be using this script on you…it’s complicated!!
The way it works is that you have to sign up to this website thing and buy quikstar only products (for the rest of your life). You get points which equal cash. So after spending around $200 a month (minimum), you get about $7 back. The more you spend, the more you get back–but wait a minute, you’re supposed to be making money. So how do you make money? You convince a lot of other people to join (through scripted dialogue); and when they buy stuff you earn more points including their points–you get the idea. And in order for them to make money, they have to convince other people and so on … So your goal is to buy from quikstar companies, and convince a lot of other people to do the same. You then get to this magic number of points which earns you some real cash.
Sound like a pyramid scheme? Well, through legal loopholes, it’s not. And like I said above…I guess it can work for some people. You just have to be at the top of the pyramid–uh,I mean earn enough points.
When they try to sign you up, usually a friend approaches you and tells you he has this wonderful business opportunity and is making lots of money and doing business with high level professionals. And your friend is willing to introduce you to this “WONDERFUL” once in a lifetime opportunity. NEW?? type of business.
Well, first of all, quikstar and similar companies have been around for ages. They’re nothing new. Now they’ve got the internet, so I guess that’s whats new. And yea, they need you more that you think. They’re not being generous in granting you a ‘once-in-a lifetime’ opportunity. You are money to them. When you sign on, you are at the bottom and everything you buy (your $200+) trickles up the ladder and funds people on top.
Yea, I guess it can work, but you have to be at the top to make the money. Do lots of research before you sign up with them.
Yes, please do lots of research. That was a great post and it explains a lot!
the blog is good as it has people who are for it and against it.
i have to confess i like the arguements which the people have raised/objected to joining quick start.
having joined quickstar ( forget the spelling) stayed there for a month fighting myself whether to stay or quit. i chose the later.
reason: i didnt like the way you have to talk to coerse people into it. I didnt like the way a bunch of people get at one place once a week may be more, to talk about a bunch of products which may be good, but just not the only things in the market. and why should i pay more for something which is much cheaper outside.
the best part were the vitamin pills. take 3 pills at a time, twice or thrice a day… man that is BS.. even a patient doesnt swallow so many pills. granted that they have soo much packed in them. you have to ask yourself the question.. do you really need them. i think a big no…
what happens if you over eat.. the body just flushes it out through the natural processes.
any ways to the main point of the discussion. the people are brain washed not to pay any attention to the negative minded people. these are the people who ask questions about how and why this works. you can observe this in the pattern they answer. or the way they try to explain the plan. every one has the abstract way of arguing thing showing a smoke screen.. and talking in the air.
talking about walmart.. and as some one has already pointed out, BMWs, cruises… and retirement at 30′s…..
i repeat the same cautionary note. it isnt worth fighting our conscience for. and those of you are still in diff minds about joining it. first get to know what you have to do and what you have to loose before joining.
All the best.
[quote comment="2589"]If you really, really REALLLYYYYY want to make money within AMWAY, BWW, etc. (drum rolls please)………
Sell the motivational books, tapes, CDs, DVD’s…that is where the REAL money is made. If not, you will be among the 99.99% who will fail and never make any money.
Oops…the cat is out of the bag…(tee hee, snicker-snicker).
If you have seen the Dateline episode, this should come as NO surprise.[/quote]
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT CARLOS!!! You HAVE TO BE A GOOD MOTIVATIONS SPEAKER TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SELL CD’s books etc to convince the people at the bottom not to leave…and you have to convince them that if they are not making money, they need to buy more BOOKS and CD’s!! I’m serious–really serious. This is how it works.
The quikstar system is a ladder system (I’m not supposed to say pyramid…they get upset). You work your way up the ladder to different levels…emerald, ruby etc. When you are on top, you’re called Diamond or some thing like that–if you ever get there! Remember the points system??? You can only make so much money off of points, so you better learn to be a REALLY GOOD motivational speaker and write BOOKS, and record CD’s etc.
IF you get to the top, you sell this stuff (CD’s…tapes…books) and that’s what brings in your money. Who’s buying them–the people at the bottom. Yeah, you have no choice if you’re at the bottom. You’re told to invest what little money you get back,if any, into buying this stuff! MONEY BACK GUARANTEE??? WHATEVER! The tapes, books etc are for convincing you to stay [remember that I mentioned the guy at the top was a REALLY GOOD MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER]; so you don’t leave…and time goes by. Before you know it, you’ve gone past the ‘trial’ period. No more money back. If the guy at the top is doing a good job, he’ll make you stay and get more money–FROM YOU!!!
Now think about this; how many people will rise to the top and be motivational people??? I mean, to be a motivational speaker in their organization is to convince people at the bottom not to leave! Very few people have that kind of talent. That’s why it’s a (forgive me) pyramid! IT’S NARROW AT THE TOP! It’s like saying we will ALL rise and be President of the US! Can I stress enough that you have to be a good motivational speaker to be at the top?
When you go to them and tell them you’re not suceeding, they tell you are not doing what they said. The tell you to buy more books and CD’s. They tell you to go to more of their conferences. (all of this is costing you $$$)
If you complain, they make you feel like a failure in a nice way. They basically put the ball in your court “Do you want to go ahead with this? Do you know why you are not suceeding? It’s because you didn’t do what I told you. I told you to go to the conference, and you didn’t.” Then they’ll tell you about success stories about how people went to the conference and made lots of money etc–I mean, look at infomercials on late night TV–we know this stuff doesn’t work (for the majority of people), but they have testimony and good speakers who make us want to take that ‘once-in-a lifetime shot!
Now if anyone from quikstar is reading this, as I wrote in my prior post, and I quote “Yea, I guess it can work, but you have to be at the top to make the money. Do lots of research before you sign up with them.”
So don’t get mad. Just leave me alone. I didn’t sign up with you guys [QUIKSTAR...BWW...AMWAY...whatever you're called] and I’m really HAPPY. I’m sure there are people who signed up with you and are happy and making money. I don’t personally know any of them! I feel sorry for the people I know who are in quikstar.
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any ways to the main point of the discussion. the people are brain washed not to pay any attention to the negative minded people. these are the people who ask questions about how and why this works. you can observe this in the pattern they answer. or the way they try to explain the plan. [/quote]
Yes indeed my friend. Well said….
I too was approached by a female in my college class. She said that I came off as the type who was looking to earn some extra income, so she wanted to sit down and have a meeting with me. We went out for lunch but only could stay “15 minutes” because she was in a rush. Now that I look back, I know it was because the longer we sat there the more questions she knew I would ask that she couldn’t answer. The first red flag I noticed was how she couldn’t explain the whole plan in detail and how she drove a car that wasn’t really all that great. But yet she had been there for 2 years.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt eventhough something just didn’t feel right (it must have been the $8,000-15,000 income a month that got me). So I went out to VA to a business meeting with a lot of young people dressed in suits and ties. It seemed a little more legit because everyone looked so professional. After I sat through the speaker’s presentation, which was a good one, I started thinking about it. I went back and forth with myself as to whether or not this was indeed a scam. On one hand I kept thinking to myself that it couldn’t be since “you have to spend the money each month anyway, but now you can earn some of it back.”
Later in the night my friend introduced me to the speaker (who was also her mentor) and when I asked a question I was told that we could go into more detail at our next meeting in 24-48 hrs. Now this alone struck me as odd that it had to be a day or two. So I stood with my friend and decided on two days away for our meeting. I casually asked her a thing or two about it and she too just dodged my answers. Then she basically said we would wrap things up and talk later. I showed the packet and cd I was loaned and she laughed. Now that I have read all of the blogs on the internet I have made up my mind.
Just a question to ask yourselves. If this isn’t a scam/ pyramid scheme, then why is it that when you google quickstar the majority of pages it hits are all warnings on it being a scam???? Think about when you google a different company like WAL MART. Does it come back with a ton of different people discussing it being a scam? Nope. I hope they get busted for being already rich scum bags who mislead and take more money from people who “look like they could use a little money.”
If someone recruite you for quixtar, ask them to see their profit/loss statements. Anyone who buys into a real business demands it. Why wouldn’t you demand it before joining quixtar?
It’s why so many IBOs refuse to dislose any income information, because it is most likely that they are losing money on the tapes books and functions, they you only hear about how the system works because they earn $8 a month in rebates.
more explication
For people who are being prospected into quixtar:
Ask many questions. Ask how it works, ask for proof that these folks are actually making money. DOn’t accept a photocopy of a check from seom guy “way up there”. Ask for
proof of earnings from the people prospecting you.
If they avoid and dodge your questions, that should send up all kinds of red flags.
[quote comment="2585"]The clothes make the man. If you want persons to see and believe you to be a business owner, you should dress like one.
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If that is the case, the we should all dress like BILL GATES, ie. BUSINESS CASUAL, or simply casual. Now he is a BILLIONAIRE. I have met true millionaires and not the wannabees. The true millionaires do not dress flashy at all, in fact rather modest. Any one ever read THE MILLIONAIRE NEXT DOOR? Then you all get my drift.
Anyhow, BWW,The Team etc., are all long term projects and do not expect to get rich overnight. Just tell the truth, the objective is to direct business traffic to a website for purchases so you can get a kick back. Nuff said. The more your downlines buy, the more money you make, that is what it is in a nut shell.
If you want to make cold hard cash, fast and upfront, work with Specialty Merchandise Corp., or be an ebay merchant, or a direct mail marketer (snail mail or with an electronic store front).
If you want to make money out of someone elses misery, buy the real estate kits that teach you to buy property very inexpensively USING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Imagine buying a foreclosed home and selling it. There indeed many ways to skin a cat and make mucho bucks.
But I do agree, I find the VanAndels and DeVos people very nefarious, odious, unsavory and untrustworthy. Thank God DeVos lost the governors race. EeGads Republicans are just greedy people who do not want to pay their fair share of taxes. Creepy if you ask me.
If I come across as an ICONOCLAST, I am, (in the mold of Dennis Miller with some healthy dose of Jay Leno for good measure).[/quote]
I’m sure Bill Gates dresses in a suit when doing business with other business men not in front of the camera. In front of the camera he needs to act like your buddy to have you buy more software. Your buddies always dress up when they talk to you? I’m sure when you met true millionaires you where makeing big business deals to?
When you go to a quixtar function, there are a few speakers and thousands of IBOs in the audience. It will always be like that.
Of course it’s “possible” for anyone to build a business big enough to get you on the stage, but it’s not “likely”.
The upline will always try and sell you on what’s “possible”. Well, it’s “possible” for you to start you own company and be bigger than microsoft too.
Hi,
I have been to quixtar meetings and everybody in the meeting says they are making money and stuff…but nobody ever showed a copy of check they receive from the quixtar to prove it.
Nobody ever tell in the meeting what type of work do u need to do inorder to get the money. They just give you a simple concept which is not clear enough.The personnel in the meetings claim as they are doctors, engineers and business personnel and attorneys. but they dont prove themselves showing any id or anything.
I feel some people might have made money, and those who succeeded wants to make more money by luring other people into this showing a sweet and wonderful way beneath which underlies the unknown truth.
Well one morething…let us suppose we buy a laptop from circuitcity through quixtar at the retail price which is like $1000, which sometimes would be at a deal for $599 where you end up paying $400 extra through quixtar and you might earn 300 points but in return you get only 100bucks still which is less than 400 savings.
So anyone who is planning to join quixtar do one experiment…ask if you have any friends in quixtar and findout the product prices that you purchase regularly and you calculate the amount its going to be through quixtar and walmart or kroger or someother retail store. Take the quixtar price amount and subtract the price of all the items you actually spent, just deposit the amount that you saved compared to quixtar price in a bank account and checkout how much you are saving? and calculate the amount u get based on points in quixtar this should give you the answer whether to join or not.
What if the laws change regarding the residual income? Since its tax free and everyone is taking advantage of it…dont you think govt will do something about it in near future? So think about these hurdles and think before you join.
I made my decision I am not going to join.
By the way, if your quixtar group teaches “buy from yourself”, think about this: You will never buy your way to prosperity.
By the way And, and joecool18 you’re not going to get rich off of yourself. Does Walmart stay open with one customer? This type of business helps make money build up in places like the business bank account. Also if you get your friends and family in the program then money builds up and stays with your family and friends instead of walmarts pockets. I don’t mind if my upline and Quixtar makes money too because they’re helping me make money. I sign up with discount cards for my groceries to save with. If I could make money on it by sending people to the same grocery store I would do that instead of doing quixtar it would be easier. Buying from your business is like a savings account. I have a savings account with my bank that is called Keep The Change. When I buy anything using my debit card that amount is rounded up to the nearest dollar, and is sent to my savings account. So I slowly end up putting money in my savings without thinking about it. Also $25 a week goes in the account automatically. Well when you buy from your business the “profit” goes to the business instead of you spending it elsewhere. Then when your business needs a computer or you go on a business trip you can use it for business. Then you can deduct it in taxes.
Now if you get customers (alot of customers), it adds up to money you would not have had in the first place. It’s simple math. The key to this business is alot of work at first and time. Time is where you get good business owners in your downline. If I look at any other investments, this business is the fastest and largest return. Unless you have lots of money, time to say flip houses, which is risky. The best exercise is to study HYIPs. High Yield Interest Programs. The ones on the internet that have compound interest daily 1% 2% and study the math of compounding. How long will it take to double your money. Its fun at 5%.
If you look at stocks you need lots of money. On average you’re looking at 10% a year profit. How much time would it take to double your money? Thats not including taxes being taken out.
If you don’t like the stuff you sell and won’t buy them yourself, why would you expect others to buy from you.
[quote comment="3095"]By the way, if your quixtar group teaches “buy from yourself”, think about this: You will never buy your way to prosperity.[/quote]
By the way And, and joecool18 you’re not going to get rich off of yourself. Walmart would close with only one customer. Lets stop and think how many customers go to Walmart daily in a city of 500,000 people. Quixtar is a type of business helps make money build up in places like the business bank account. Also if you get your friends and family in the program then money builds up and stays with your family and friends instead of walmart’s pockets. I don’t mind if my upline and Quixtar makes money too because they’re helping me make money. I sign up with discount cards for my groceries to save with. If I could make money on it by sending people to the same grocery store I would do that instead of doing quixtar it would be easier. Buying from your business is like a savings account. I have a savings account with my bank that is called Keep The Change. When I buy anything using my debit card that amount is rounded up to the nearest dollar, and is sent to my savings account. So I slowly end up putting money in my savings without thinking about it. Also $25 a week goes in the account automatically. Well when you buy from your business the “profit” goes to the business instead of you spending it elsewhere. Then when your business needs a computer or you go on a business trip you can use it for business. Then you can deduct it in taxes.
Now if you get customers (alot of customers), it adds up to money you would not have had in the first place. It’s simple math. The key to this business is alot of work at first and time. Time is where you get good business owners in your downline. If I look at any other investments, this business is the fastest and largest return. Unless you have lots of money, time to say flip houses, which is risky. The best exercise is to study HYIPs. High Yield Interest Programs. The ones on the internet that have compound interest daily 1% 2% and study the math of compounding. How long will it take to double your money. Its fun at 5%.
If you look at stocks you need lots of money. On average you’re looking at 10% a year profit. How much time would it take to double your money? Thats not including taxes being taken out.
If you don’t like the stuff you sell and won’t buy them yourself, why would you expect others to buy from you.
“EeGads Republicans are just greedy people who do not want to pay their fair share of taxes.”
What the hell are you talking about? I’m Republican and have no problem paying my own taxes, thank you. I also give to the needy, which hardly makes me greedy, and I know PLENTY of other Republicans like me. Stop making blanket statements. Or I could be just as bitter and narrow-minded as you and say that Democrats are socialists who complain too much.
That said – about this Quixtar and Amway – Quixtar sounds like the Amway for people who are too young or naive to have been taken by Amway in the 80s and 90s. Their practices are nearly identical. Mention this “wonderful business opportunity” to your friends and family and see how fast they run.
So tell me why, when we unexpectedly run into you, a casual associate we haven’t seen in years and hardly know you, instead of making small talk about our families and jobs, within 30 seconds you mention that you’ve started your own business. So we politely ask what kind of business, thinking maybe it’s a software startup of some sort, you get vague and say “Oh, it’s an internet company called Quixtar.” Why won’t you tell us what exactly this company is? When we politely ask what it’s about, you want to come to our house to “tell us about it.” You’ve never talked to us longer than 10 minutes before, yet suddenly want to be best chums, come over to play a board game with the family, and tell us about this great new business opportunity? No thank you. And we feel very sorry for you, because you’re going to be making this same speech to people over and over and over, and you’re not going to make any real money. In fact, just before you noticed us in the store, you were taking down the phone number and address of some poor sap you probably had pizza delivered from in the past, and now you’re going to his house to talk about “the business” with him. He sure did look anxious to get away! But now you’re going to his house. Poor him, to have to uncomfortably sit through your sales pitch, and poor you, because you’re going to be feeling a lot of rejection and disappointment very soon.
I know, because I’ve been there. And I prefer to be friends with my family and buddies, not target them as my next potential business partners and try to guilt them into it every chance I get. Oh and yes, guilt is a very big part of this business. If you try to back out now, you’re going to be given lots of guilt over it by your uplines, because if you quit, you’re hurting them and only making them have to work harder to find the next sucker gullible enough to fall for these “great opportunities.”
Good luck.
Joecool18, you are so right. Thanks for your comments. One of the saddest Quixtar stories I know about currently is a guy who quit college after 3 1/2 years to “own his own business” (Quixtar) full time. What a waste.
Of course you buy some stuff from yourself if you need it and it is a good value, but with no advertsing and only word of mouth contacts, an IBO faces almost impossible odds to build up a retail base.
It’s why they some uplines teach you to buy 150-300 PV yourself and then sponsor others and getthem to follow.
Problem is that in this model, you are operating like a pyramid and only a few at the top can make the bucks.
I talked with a quixstar sponser last night, kind filled with hope, kinda discusted. Say if i’m at the bottom of the totom pole, everyone is going to make a percentage off what i buy. Does anyone know how the system works good enough to figure out how much money quickstar will be paying ibo’s above me for what i’m buying? I know quixstar isn’t going to pay out more than what the product(s) i bought costed.
It’s really this simple:
Every business is not for every body. Sheesh. It’s the same for churches, leisure activities, sports, friendships, and everything else in life. Each person has their own personality and likes. There just may be something out there that doesn’t fit you! If it isn’t for you, just pass on it, don’t attack something you don’t fully understand.
You have to work pretty smart and hard to be successful in Amway – in my experience, a bit harder and smarter than you would in a “regular” job or career path. This one depends only on you and your work ethic; you simply cannot ride on someone else’s laurels. I have achieved much success in the “regular” job market, but Amway is tough. It stretches you in many ways. I had to step outside of your comfort zone to meet new people! That’s why I choose to buy the products that I love and allow others to buy from me without being an “active” IBO.
There are good and bad people involved in Amway. You should know that by now. Heck, there are good and bad folks involved in everything from government to philanthropic endeavors. You can’t let the one taint the whole, nor should you allow yourself to judge based off one encounter.
The snap judgments and harsh arguments need to subside. Just because it’s not for you doesn’t mean it’s from Satan. And, just because you love it, doesn’t mean it’s a God-send either. So relax people. I simply encourage others to check these things out, see for themselves. People actually have brains. You don’t have to attempt to save the world with your foreknowledge and infinite wisdom of everything.
Enjoy!
K
Oh, I forgot something:
The pyramid thing just doesn’t hold true. A real pyramid scheme keeps people on the bottom from making as much as the people on the top. Well, I have someone that I showed this business plan making all kinds of money in Amway. I don’t. He does because he works the business model. I don’t because, well, I don’t. His wife was able to quit her job to be a stay at home mom! I sure wish I could do that. But I can’t, because I chose to just buy what I need and let others buy from me. I chose to do this to get good products, not to earn a living. There are many instances of this throughout Amway. You just need to ask.
Advertising by word of mouth is some of the best advertising out there. I personally could care less what the TV or radio has to say about something. I want proof! Real people! America has many business that started out word of mouth, and grew into large success that way. Why change a good thing?
For those of you who may not understand the plan or the model or the payment system or any other aspect of Amway, I would encourage you to ask again. Perhaps you should even seek someone else to show you. It just may be the person trying to explain it just isn’t speaking in your terminology. Not everyone is good at conveying the nuances of a presentation, you may need to hear it a couple of times or just see it from someone else. I know I’ve seen things presented in a business meetings or in person by someone who either didn’t have a grasp of the concept or just didn’t jive with my personality. I didn’t get the gist for whatever reason, but was able to review it with another person who really connected with me, my questions, or concerns. It happens to people all the time. You never know until you really check it out.
I think you can go to the Quixtar website and seek out a local person to get more info. Don’t quote me on that.
Best of luck!
K
Always trust your gut, for some folks, especially myself, it is our truth meter.
Stay out of Amway/Quixtar. Are you really going to ask every friend you have to buy overpriced products from you??
And yes, in 1983 I was an “IBO” with Amway. I was not disappointed, and I had no illusions of making a living with this type of business. I did it for my boyfriend. But I’ll never do that again.
I have a friend that has tried hard over the last 4 years to get me into Melaleuca with her. Almost succeeded till I realized that no one I knew made enough money to justify paying such a high price for Melaleuca’s products.
I have the necessary “expendable” income, but I also like my RV and enjoy paying the insurance on it.
My gut always tells me the truth, even when I really really want to ignore it. Each and every time I’ve ignored my truth, I’ve lost. Each and every time I’ve listened to it, I’ve won.
Believe me, there are so many great things in my life I would not have experienced or have, had I not gotten quiet and listened to the truth within.
I think you’ve heard your truth.
Sure, Amway/quixtar may not be for everyone, like a church or other organization. But churches and other organizations don’t deceive people into joining like amway/quixtar IBOs.
Also, amway/quixtar is a pyramid. It is mathematically impossible for everyone to prosper. Sure you can move past your sponsor but you still need to move up the pyramid to make any serious money.
A great business for those that want to hound friends and family for your own persoanl gain with scripted speeches and delusions of granduer. And after those relationships have gone by the wayside with the presistant sound of a answering machine everytime you call someone close, you can loiter at the local grocery store where your attempts at small talk about the spices for stake can help you suck a misguided soul into your corporate cult.
The only people that make big money sell the motivational tapes to the small people who have been molded into sleepless drones that hinge life on a motivational speakers words.
What amazes me is that upline used to lie about making money from the sale of tapes books and seminars. After the huge lie was exposed, now upline says they do make money from tools. Many IBOs accept this and say the past lies don’t affect their business.
What is funny though, is nobody has any written compensation plan indicating how you qualify for a cut of the tools money or how much you get when you qualify.
IMO, it’s still a shady secret business.
i went to their meeting yesterday … i had a gut feeling that this was somin flaky … readin ur opinions just confirms what i thought .. god bless america!
Lasun,
I’m glad you got the information you needed to make an informed decision!
I was told about this “New Exicting Business Opportunity” recently by a not so close friend. I had talked to him only 2 times before and never more than 5 minutes. Third time he met me, hugged me, made me feel that he is my best buddy and then said he has started a private business. I was happy for him and did the mistake to ask what kind of business. He invited himself to my home to discuss the business for 5 minutes. I was still naive and thought he might need my opinions in his NEW business. When he start talking and I got an idea where he is coming to. I told him that I will do some research on internet and see what people have to say about it and I was immidiately warned not to read the *FALSE* information on internet and believe just him. After reading through pros and cons of this *BUSINESS* on internet, I am very clear about what I have to do. I have decided against joining Quixstar simply bcoz I can’t deceive my friends into this business. I can convince only my close friends and relatives to be an IBO but I love my dignity more than money.
I also listened to all the successful stories of people at top of chain but not a single word was said by anybody how exactly the money was made. What is difference b/w a discount and money earned through Quixstar products?
As said by many, this scheme is good for those who are at top of chain and who are good at convincing others to join against their will. If you are one of them then good else think twice and educate yourself before joining
I dont know how people can comment on the business even though they dont know uts spellings,
IT IS QUIXTAR not QUICKSTAR.
Little knowledge is SUICIDAL
All they need to know is what the name represents.
Haha, ashish, now matter how you spell quixtar, it’s still isn’t a good opportunity for the vast majority who register.
IMO, most people would be better off financially staying home and watching the simpsons than getting involved in quixtar.
Bearman, did you know that one of the richest people in the world re Robert Kiosaki, admits that he could and still cannot spell! Peoples intellectuality is definatly not based on whether they can spell on not!
Catbird, maybe the correct person did not show you the business, maybe it was someone who was a new IBO, or maybe you are one of those people who just never stops talking and therefor never listen. The reason I suspect the aforemention is that an IBO will never be sucessfull, whether to create money or freedom for themselves, if they do not help enough other people in their business to be sucessfull. I am not saying there are no thiefs in this business, there are in the majority of businesses I have seen. However this is the only business I have ever seen where so many people help others to succeed and no-one has to crush anyone in the process of getting to the top.
Good luck to all you skeptics out there to find the vehicle that will bring you the success you wish to achive, I have found mine!
I went to a meeting one night eith my sister. The speaker was telling us how important it was to attend an out of state re-treat labor day weekend. He told us a story about a friend who told his brother that he couldn’t be his best man in his wedding one weekend because he needed to be at the retreat for quixtar. He went on to say that the guys brother understood because the meeting was about his brother’s financial future/family. WHat a bunch of bull shit!!! THese people are fuckin nuts! Yeah sorry my sister, i be in your wedding because i have to be at this stupid ass retreat in nebraska. i hope you understand.. DON’T WAIST YOUR TIME AND MONEY!
[quote comment="3600"]Lasun,
I’m glad you got the information you needed to make an informed decision![/quote]
No one can make an informed decision listening to you Joecool18. What you say is always flawed. The funny thing is you always have something to say. I would only listen to you if you make hundreds of thousands of dollars every year at what your doing. If you worked as hard to make money as you do shooting your mouth I would listen to you. You need to study basic math, percentages, and investing. If you did you would under stand the power that is given to you when you become an IBO. Quixtar is the closest way that alot of millionars make their money and investers. So if your at the bottom and don’t have much you can at least use this business as a stepping stone to get you investing in to something else like real estate. Ask your self why anyone should listen to you joecool?