Quixtar is a legal pyramid. I have never said it was illegal.

Fact: The vast majority of IBOs make nothing or lose money. It gets worse if those IBOs participate in the tools system.

Fact: In the 6-4-2 plan, if IBOs are participating in tools, the group suffers tremendous financial losses.

Fact: The tools teach you more about recruiting than selling quixtar products.
Why is that?

Fact: Overall, Costco is much cheaper than quixtar.

Fact: Conmen get you to do things willingly, yet conmen are not considered ethical or legal.

I invite further debate on my blog:

http://joecool-quixtar-thedreamorthescheme.blogspot.com

What I said is true. The vast majority of IBOs are losing money and quixtar is prospering. Please note I didn’t “blame” quixtar for the problems.

The problems stem from the organizations such as BWW and WWDB. They teach you things that can bankrupt you. Such as firce loyalty to the teaching system. Buy extra tapes and seminar tickets, regardlesss of your business profits or results. Not succeeding? Buy more tools!

Thats the true issue. If you actually read merhcants of decption, one of the things that his upline did was schedule his own functions such as a cruise at a cost of $5,000, which the IBOs could have scheduled on their own for half the price.

Seems as if groups like BWW that push tools on people who aren’t making progress is unethical. Isn’t that what you’re promoting here Jane?

AMWAY – QUIXTAR STORY PRESENTED ON NBC DATELINE A FRAUD?

ERIC SCHEIBELER “MERCHANTS OF DECEPTION”

Sept 2007 — A former Amway (Quixtar) Corp. Distributor Eric N. Scheibeler admitted that he lied when he said he’d uncovered billions of dollars in consumer fraud with the company. This shocking information was made in a federal court filing to settle a defamation suit bought by Amway (Quixtar). Scheibeler wrote a book, “Merchants of Deception,” slamming Amway. In addition Eric Scheibeler in a written document to Attorneys for Alticor – Amway – Quixtar that he falsely said: (1) He and his family were threatened (2) He was offered money to be “silent” (3) Quixtar attacked his web site. In exchange for Eric Scheibeler’s written apology Amway and Quixtar agreed not to continue their defamation suit in U.S. Middle District Court and not to seek legal fees from Scheibeler. The Defamation suit against Eric Scheibeler quoted letters to the Cleveland Free Times and a statement in as Swedish newspaper. Editor’s note: NBC Dateline did cover themselves, they reported in the segment that Scheibeler was starting his own MLM Company (which later failed)

This really ticks me off. How dare him to act a victim and then dupe the people who click to read his poorly written “book?”.

Bold as all Hell he ask people who look up his book to donate $$$ for his legal fees for his defamation and lies that have harmed millions of people, including my reputation for being a 30 year distributor before retiring.
This idiot S. broke rules from the beginning and new it. If he hadn’t thrown away the white pad to varify his sails to ten customers, he would difinately made more money.

Ten years ago, This self-made-victim recieved a starter kit with the rules of conduct and code of ethics in it. He was at the direct level for nine years. That means he had a direct distributor manual covering every inch of ethics and training of his goup.
What’s more, for nine years he received a tape called Directly Speaking from the co-founder, Rich DeVose.

These tapes tell directs: Don’t use the podium for a pulpet. Don’t stack your distributors. These tapes tell every direct distributor about any violations the corproation hears about from distributors.

Scheiblerer almost had my empathy, because personaly, I can’t stand Dexter Yager and hate how Amway has to keep reprimanding him.

Eric Scheibeler or none of the rest of Yager’s directs or above can say they didn’t know about having a minimum of retail sales.

Nine years ago when Sceibeler qualified for direct distributor, he had to fill out a form showing he moved 70% of his products to his distrubutors and turn in the pink copy of the sales slips proving her made sales to 10 clients.

So he lied in order to receive money he did not ethically earn. Isn’t that stealing from the corporation?

What about the Profit sharing bonus, ruby bonus, pearl bonus, emrald bonus, Q-12 bonus he received through all of those 9 years.

Just in Bonuses, how much did he unethically take from Amway? We’re not talking a small felony of $500, even if those were the miniml bonuses, they still run into hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I’ve read about half of his very poorly written book. He has to have it for free; because an agent wouldn’t get through page two before rejecting it.

Oh, he tries hard to be a self-made victim.
He’s brain washed by a cult and didn’t know any better. If he can write a book, why in the Hell can’t he read the code of ethics in his starter kit, or read his direct distributor manual.

Who wants to bet this site will close quickly and that Joecool is either Scheideler or a close associate?
I’ve read half of his book, and felt a little sorry for him, because I fully understand Amway considers Yager a loose cannon.

Please explain how anyone with minimal busines or common sense can go in debt in this business and it’s the Corporation’s fault?

Isn’t there a money back guantee on the starter kit? Isn’t there a rule that the ibo has to move 70 of the products he buys?

If he does have any inventory, won’t the company buy all of it back for the same cost the ibo paid for it less the amount paid to the ibo in bonus checks?

What don’t you understand when the corporation says the tapes, books, seminars, and ralleys are options?

Isn’t it only in the Yeager orginazation where books, tapes, cds, are pushed and people are coerced to attend numerous expensieve, Dream Days etc.?

Tell me please, who was the pinhead that sponsored Dexter and Birdie Yeager?

Who were the original distributors from Nutrilite that Rich and Jay used to start their business?

I should know, but age likes to hide a number of things.

Some of your statements belong with the rest of the cow manuer.

I. That ibo’s that get out of the business seldom buy Amway products.

Truth, Joe, is several of the ibo’s in my organization had been in the business before and asked to get back in mine. I think the statistics kept by Amway of the ones who have gotten back in the business for the second and third times are impressive.

2. Your exagerated length of time to make a retail sale is ridiculous.

My last order was over $200. The ibo returned the message I left on her recorder.
I gave the order. She phoned it in on her scheduled order day with the rest of her orders. Then she’s done except recieving 30% retail from my credit card sale, plus my oder was close to putting her in the 3% bonus.

Gee weren’t her two phone calls hard? Do the math for her time and what she made. The order was drop-shipped to me.

In my 30 years in the business, I repeatedly drop-shipped orders to my familly in Mo.

4. You say you have to have a group to be profitable. Nope, Nope, Nope. Back in the 1960′s when I limited myself to 80 regular retail clients, I would deliver their order, show them new products and write up another order. I was in and out within 30 minutes. Many of these stops were at offices where several paid for their orders and gave me new ones. When you have 4 girls giving you $60 and $70 oders, it doesn’t take long for sales to add up.

I had a fun place to deliver to also.
It was a bar. Our pet name for it was, RCA, Rabbit Creek Alcholics.

In those days, Alaska had a lot of wilderness and little entertainment. When we couldn’t find our neighbors at home, we phoned the bar to find them.

I wouod deliver a car load of orders to the bar and pick up a stack of new orders people left for me. Yeah, $300 to $500 a trip.
On that I didn’t even get tax write offs. Someone else always bought me a drink. Of course people often threatened to charge me office space, and clerecil wages for taking the orders, holding their money and paying me. So I loved going there once a week. Besides friendly, caring, and fun loving people, it didn’t take long to have $3000 in orders, and I could be before my children came from school, and have dinner ready when my husband came from work.

I didn’t have to work anyone elses schedule, or put up with office politics.

It’s lying. Lying by omitting is still lying. You don’t say Scriebler, Britt, Team, and the Tool business scandal come from Dexter Yeager’s organization.
Presently, Amway has 8 million business people. Big fat if, but if the entire Yeager organization has 1 or 2 million, it still leaves 6 million or more that run ethical businesses free of scandal.
I sponsored in some of those people. I’m retired and won’t make a penny from them, but I’ll not let you or anyone include the ones I sponsored with the disturbing practices of Yeager and others in his organization. Two of the groups that are still in, came in during the early 70’s. The one I buy products from joined the business in the early 80’s. I’ve worked with thousands. These are good loving, caring, people not deserving of your lies and half truths.
Dateline taped six hours or more about the remarkable quality control, research, and the ultra sophistication in the plant at Ada. They interviewed several Crown directs, but all they put on the Air was one lower level Diamond, yeah old Yeager. Why, because he’s colorful, oh is he ever colorful, and the lily white truth doesn’t increase Dateline’s ratings.

You don’t post Scheibler is telling what happened in the Yeager organization, not the other 6 million running scandalous free businesses. Furthemore, I don’t think you have the ability to read Scheibler’s mind and intentions. His intentions aren’t, his motivation.
You made my point stronger that more money appears to be Scheibler’s motivation by posting he was only making $30,000 a year as Emerald. In that case to legally represent Yeager’s disgruntled ibos for a fee at $550 an hour appears to be much stronger motivation than I indicated above.

$550 an hoiur sounds like Opry running up a $600,000 before Birkhead could fire her.

If Schiebler felt he really could win a case of this magnitude, he would have taken it on contingency.

Isn’t Scheibler’s $30,000 for a part time business in Amway? Isn’t he a law professor at the same place he got his jd, Notre Dam University.

Joe, you’re sounding like Hilary flip flopping. In your recent post you claim you didn’t say Quixtar was illegal.

Here’s post 38 of yours—way up there at the beginning-Dated Feb. 2007

Joe says,”Also, amway/quixtar is a pyramid. It is mathematically impossible for everyone to prosper. Sure you can move past your sponsor but you still need to move up the pyramid to make any serious money.”

Calling the business a pyramid is saying it practices illegally. My dear Joe, Pyramids are illegal. In two sentences you call it a pyramid twice.

Later, I’ll tell you and others how and why you are putting yourselves in a situation where you could be sued for defamation even though you use fictitious names.

Joe, You personally have cost me money. Go back and read my post. When I found this site, I was going to get back into the business. I haven’t because of the lies and half truths you’re spreading on here. Not getting back into the business to mainly by wholesale is costing me money—at least the difference between wholesale and retail.
If I got back into the business, Quixstar may reasonably ask me not to respond on here or to the media, because like in my first post about Scheibler, I inadvertently gave incorrect info. By not keeping up to date, I think the percentage for each direct you sponsor has changed to 4% instead of 3%. I also wrote $1500 instead of $15,000.

Note the increase in percent in favor of the distribors. Any time the Amway plan has been changed,it’s been to benefit the distributors. Now that is a proven fact, Joe, not some parroted lie.

They have in past focused on products on discovery channel.

And this year they will be making a bigger focus then even the past.

But it will alway be smart advertising, they want to make their focus on who their clients are what they watch what they read.

let mr ask you this and I will even give you the answer. advertiseing for Pepsi and Coke why do they do it? Because most people are set on what product they like and you can’t change so why advertise? the reason is because 1/4 of the people who see those commercials will go to there fridge to grab the soda and will drink and the idea is to get them to drink more of it so they replace what they drank.

As far as the tools go, there a teams out there who don’t focus on tools, they have limited amount and most are not for sale, and the teams are smaller, they not part of the BWW or the World Wide groups or the other 5 big ones out there.

I think that the real business of Amway/Quixtar gets lost in the meetings.

I believe with my whole heart anyone focused and driven can do this business and make money with out the tools or any of that.

Is there money for people with out tools yes, and this year even more. (Double Bonuses for the next 5 years and they are going back to the amway name.)

So how do make money, you sell the products and when some say I love these product or gives you a name that is when you show them the business.

What you fill your mind withis what you will put out!