Comments on: Whats with __MACOSX in Zip files? http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files Sun, 20 May 2012 06:51:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: HarlanSanders http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-254726 HarlanSanders Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:21:49 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-254726 Why would he want to buy a Mac if he doesn't like this behavior... #2 is the correct way to get rid of it. But it still doesn't address the issue of the fact that it's there and is nonstandard. Why would he want to buy a Mac if he doesn’t like this behavior…

#2 is the correct way to get rid of it. But it still doesn’t address the issue of the fact that it’s there and is nonstandard.

]]> By: Khurrum http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-253520 Khurrum Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:26:41 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-253520 I was expecting that last point: It can be reconstructed on the fly. "Why are you putting it inside a compressed file which is compressed so people can save space?" - first. I was expecting that last point: It can be reconstructed on the fly. “Why are you putting it inside a compressed file which is compressed so people can save space?” – first.

]]> By: Graflgauze http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-242563 Graflgauze Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:41:55 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-242563 Sorry yes, that would be the .DS_Store file that is written all over the damn place in OSX-created things Sorry yes, that would be the .DS_Store file that is written all over the damn place in OSX-created things

]]> By: Mraof http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-241756 Mraof Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:59:51 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-241756 Well, that explains that weird folder that I was wondering about. Well, that explains that weird folder that I was wondering about.

]]> By: Zana http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-241023 Zana Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:25:29 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-241023 As someone who recently had to use some Macs for work (after years of coding/scripting/Windows domain management) I have to agree with the author that often the Mac OS behavior is idiotic and NOT "more user friendly." To me, needing to issue a TERMINAL COMMAND is HELLISHLY more complex than it needs to be. It is not "simple" by any stretch of the imagination. You COULD use Powershell/CMD to do crap like this but the point is that in Windows basic stuff like this is EASY to do and follows LOGICAL, PREDICTABLE steps. Obviously, as someone who has debugged hundreds of thousands of lines of assembly in IDA Pro, it's not "hard" for me to use the terminal to show hidden files or create an archive, but I really don't care about whether it's "hard" for me. The point is that it is outrageously harder IN COMPARISON to Windows to achieve the same thing (create a simple Zip file without added thumbnails/metadata). Using a command line to accomplish things is virtually NEVER easier unless you (a) have a photographic memory (b) there is no other way. Unix/Linux/Ubuntu did not become more popular/usable by ELIMINATING graphical options. Saying "oh here's the solution, just download a third party application to correct the problem" is basically agreeing that Mac has failed to do anything better than the competition, since that is basically how Windows/nix work. The whole point of Mac is ALLEGEDLY that is does things better/more simply out of the box, but in fact it requires terminal commands to make basic changes... As someone who recently had to use some Macs for work (after years of coding/scripting/Windows domain management) I have to agree with the author that often the Mac OS behavior is idiotic and NOT “more user friendly.”

To me, needing to issue a TERMINAL COMMAND is HELLISHLY more complex than it needs to be. It is not “simple” by any stretch of the imagination. You COULD use Powershell/CMD to do crap like this but the point is that in Windows basic stuff like this is EASY to do and follows LOGICAL, PREDICTABLE steps.

Obviously, as someone who has debugged hundreds of thousands of lines of assembly in IDA Pro, it’s not “hard” for me to use the terminal to show hidden files or create an archive, but I really don’t care about whether it’s “hard” for me. The point is that it is outrageously harder IN COMPARISON to Windows to achieve the same thing (create a simple Zip file without added thumbnails/metadata). Using a command line to accomplish things is virtually NEVER easier unless you (a) have a photographic memory (b) there is no other way. Unix/Linux/Ubuntu did not become more popular/usable by ELIMINATING graphical options.

Saying “oh here’s the solution, just download a third party application to correct the problem” is basically agreeing that Mac has failed to do anything better than the competition, since that is basically how Windows/nix work. The whole point of Mac is ALLEGEDLY that is does things better/more simply out of the box, but in fact it requires terminal commands to make basic changes…

]]> By: Dan Chokola http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-238890 Dan Chokola Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:11:29 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-238890 Disclaimer: I am not a Mac user and actually have a burning hatred for Macs and their fanbase. I came across this webpage trying to figure out just what is in those __MACOSX directories. There are a couple solutions here. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1640973?start=0&tstart=0 IMHO, VII hit the nail on the head when he said that Mac is going mainstream. It invalidates the "We are not stupid" point as well. As Mac tries to sell itself to the average stupid user more and more, expect crap like this. Your best bet is to just use the command line, or roll your own script, which were made for the smart user. The "Redundant" point is a memory/CPU time tradeoff. Rather than have a user recreate this metadata from files, which takes CPU time, it's stored in the zip file and available immediately to the user after it's unzipped. There is a legitimate reason for this, then. That said, I agree the metadata could probably be stuffed into the archive somehow that gets ignored by normal zip programs and picked up by the Mac zip program. Disclaimer: I am not a Mac user and actually have a burning hatred for Macs and their fanbase. I came across this webpage trying to figure out just what is in those __MACOSX directories.

There are a couple solutions here. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1640973?start=0&tstart=0

IMHO, VII hit the nail on the head when he said that Mac is going mainstream. It invalidates the “We are not stupid” point as well. As Mac tries to sell itself to the average stupid user more and more, expect crap like this. Your best bet is to just use the command line, or roll your own script, which were made for the smart user.

The “Redundant” point is a memory/CPU time tradeoff. Rather than have a user recreate this metadata from files, which takes CPU time, it’s stored in the zip file and available immediately to the user after it’s unzipped. There is a legitimate reason for this, then. That said, I agree the metadata could probably be stuffed into the archive somehow that gets ignored by normal zip programs and picked up by the Mac zip program.

]]> By: Radu Tanasescu http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-229324 Radu Tanasescu Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:52:06 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-229324 Well, this is late coming but I just had to type it: If you are SMART then you shouldn't ask such a stupid question, read the article again, you'll figure it out. Well, this is late coming but I just had to type it:

If you are SMART then you shouldn’t ask such a stupid question, read the article again, you’ll figure it out.

]]> By: Newb http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-225886 Newb Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:18:07 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-225886 Thanks for the command, it worked like a charm. I could also remove the pesky ".DS_Store" files who somehow sneaked into the Zip. Thanks for the command, it worked like a charm. I could also remove the pesky “.DS_Store” files who somehow sneaked into the Zip.

]]> By: Simon http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-220027 Simon Sun, 29 May 2011 21:11:56 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-220027 Brilliant! ZipCleaner solved my problem for this issue, recommend it for anybody else in the above thread experiencing the same problem. Brilliant! ZipCleaner solved my problem for this issue, recommend it for anybody else in the above thread experiencing the same problem.

]]> By: HZC http://floatingsun.net/2007/02/07/whats-with-__macosx-in-zip-files/#comment-217795 HZC Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:35:16 +0000 http://floatingsun.net/blog/2007/02/07/793/#comment-217795 Search for response by HZC for simple solution Search for response by HZC for simple solution

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