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	<title>Comments on: Structured Résumés: why does it have to be so hard?</title>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2007/10/28/structured-resumes-why-does-it-have-to-be-so-hard/#comment-211539</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

I&#039;ve been researching about this lately and I&#039;ve found some links you might be interested in looking out:

- Format transformation webservices:
http://cvt.eife-l.org/index.php?language=en

- Europass: a nice webservice for building some sort of custom Europass HR-XML, that later can be transformed with the above link
http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/europass/home/vernav/Europass+Documents/Europass+CV.csp
(check the first link)

I hope it helps!

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been researching about this lately and I&#8217;ve found some links you might be interested in looking out:</p>
<p>- Format transformation webservices:<br />
<a href="http://cvt.eife-l.org/index.php?language=en" rel="nofollow">http://cvt.eife-l.org/index.php?language=en</a></p>
<p>- Europass: a nice webservice for building some sort of custom Europass HR-XML, that later can be transformed with the above link<br />
<a href="http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/europass/home/vernav/Europass+Documents/Europass+CV.csp" rel="nofollow">http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/europass/home/vernav/Europass+Documents/Europass+CV.csp</a><br />
(check the first link)</p>
<p>I hope it helps!</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Diwaker Gupta</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2007/10/28/structured-resumes-why-does-it-have-to-be-so-hard/#comment-199289</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwaker Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kim Callis: I hear your pain. HR-XSL seems too XML heavy, so even I&#039;ve avoided it so far. Recently I&#039;ve started using emurse.com for my resumes and so far it has worked out reasonably well. The principle is the same -- you input your resume on a web-based form and emurse will make it available in multiple formats, including plain text, HTML, PDF and OpenOffice. My only gripe so far is the formatting of the PDF output. My LaTeX output or even the XML-resume output looked much slicker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kim Callis: I hear your pain. HR-XSL seems too XML heavy, so even I&#8217;ve avoided it so far. Recently I&#8217;ve started using emurse.com for my resumes and so far it has worked out reasonably well. The principle is the same &#8212; you input your resume on a web-based form and emurse will make it available in multiple formats, including plain text, HTML, PDF and OpenOffice. My only gripe so far is the formatting of the PDF output. My LaTeX output or even the XML-resume output looked much slicker.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Callis</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2007/10/28/structured-resumes-why-does-it-have-to-be-so-hard/#comment-199283</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Callis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am feeling the pain of trying to find a decent resume generator. For years, I used LaTeX for generating my resumes. I have a decent PDF version of my resume, and with a little effort, I am able to put together a rtf version as well as a HTML version (both require a lot of fat fingering to get things looking right).

So I tried to move to using XML ( in the form of XML Resume Library). Like you, I was the potential of the project. I was really pleased by the tagging feature, considering that one resume does not fit all. On the other hand, like most sourceforge projects, interested wanes quickly. Something that had potential, falls by the wayside.

So what is the next solution? I am not really feeling HR-XSL, and have run out of other options. What direction have to moved to? I noticed that you pulled your example resumes off of your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am feeling the pain of trying to find a decent resume generator. For years, I used LaTeX for generating my resumes. I have a decent PDF version of my resume, and with a little effort, I am able to put together a rtf version as well as a HTML version (both require a lot of fat fingering to get things looking right).</p>
<p>So I tried to move to using XML ( in the form of XML Resume Library). Like you, I was the potential of the project. I was really pleased by the tagging feature, considering that one resume does not fit all. On the other hand, like most sourceforge projects, interested wanes quickly. Something that had potential, falls by the wayside.</p>
<p>So what is the next solution? I am not really feeling HR-XSL, and have run out of other options. What direction have to moved to? I noticed that you pulled your example resumes off of your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Diwaker Gupta</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2007/10/28/structured-resumes-why-does-it-have-to-be-so-hard/#comment-18381</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwaker Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*@chuck*: Most of your points are right on. There is an hResume builder plugin for Wordpress, but I haven&#039;t come across any plugins for HR-XML. I&#039;m really looking forward to HR-XML 3.0! For me, personally, the incentive to use something like HR-XML exists irrespective of whether employers use it or not. As an end user, I would just like to minimize my effort (duplicating content across different formats) while retaining flexibility (separate content from presentation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*@chuck*: Most of your points are right on. There is an hResume builder plugin for WordPress, but I haven&#8217;t come across any plugins for HR-XML. I&#8217;m really looking forward to HR-XML 3.0! For me, personally, the incentive to use something like HR-XML exists irrespective of whether employers use it or not. As an end user, I would just like to minimize my effort (duplicating content across different formats) while retaining flexibility (separate content from presentation).</p>
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		<title>By: Diwaker Gupta</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2007/10/28/structured-resumes-why-does-it-have-to-be-so-hard/#comment-18379</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwaker Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*@matt*: I&#039;m a Python guy myself, and needless to say I have dabbled with RST earlier. I don&#039;t really know how easy it is to add custom syntax annotations to RST, I should probably look into that. Meanwhile, rst2xmlresume or rst2hr-xml would be super cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*@matt*: I&#8217;m a Python guy myself, and needless to say I have dabbled with RST earlier. I don&#8217;t really know how easy it is to add custom syntax annotations to RST, I should probably look into that. Meanwhile, rst2xmlresume or rst2hr-xml would be super cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marking up a resume in any flavor of XML is tedious. If it is tedious for technical people, consider it impossible for an average job seeker.

The HR-XML 3.0 resume will be a good deal &quot;flatter&quot; than its predecessor and have some data type problems cleared up. This should make generating a supporting form using XForms and InfoPath easier. This may be some help.

Also some of the things that make usable, portable structured resumes so hard aren&#039;t necessarily technical reasons. Every social network site, job board, etc. has a resume/profile building tool. Once they have collected structured, fielded data, it would be very easy to generate some sort of &quot;portable&quot; XML file for the candidate. But you then have to ask yourself, what would be the incentive for those sites to want to enable such portability? I know of only one site (a non-profit cooperative arrangement among group of leading German employers) that will return an HR-XML resume to job seekers. Each participating employer will then accept such resume directly.

Is there something out there that would give candidates control and flexibility? I&#039;m not sure there is something immediately on the horizon. Some of the plugins for Wordpress and blogging/social networking platforms seem to have some promise. An ideal plugin might provide a form-driven profile builder that creates the hResume for search engine discovery of some level of detail (skills, location, etc.), but that also captured sufficient detail to allow full profile/resume exchange via HR-XML. Such exchange of might be regulated using a protocol like Liberty&#039;s  ID-SIS (some work on this in Europe: http://projectconcordia.org/images/9/9a/Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf ) or using something like the emerging OpenID Attribute Exchange ( http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0-07.html ).

All that said, anyone dreaming of Resume interchange nirvana also needs to be aware that for employers, a resume is starting point. I don&#039;t think the above vision of user-maintained and controlled structured resumes would eliminate those dreaded applications forms. However, what it might do is to provide an easy way to pre-populate those forms with all the usual stuff (contact info, employment history, education, skill summary, etc.).

Short of all of the above - some of the best, but still underutilized technology for simplifying applications for job seekers are Resume parsers (almost all of which use HR-XML as their intermediate format). The way these work is that they allow candidates to upload their word, pdf, or html (even hresume) resume. The file is then passed to the parser web service, which returns HR-XML, that is used to pre-populate the application form. The job seeker can then make any corrections and fill-in any additional information required. More job sites should have this technology deployed. Unlike all what I&#039;ve described in the preceding paragraphs, the resume parsers have been around for 9+ years. They work. They save candidates a lot of typing and reduce the &quot;drop rates&quot; for career sites and employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marking up a resume in any flavor of XML is tedious. If it is tedious for technical people, consider it impossible for an average job seeker.</p>
<p>The HR-XML 3.0 resume will be a good deal &#8220;flatter&#8221; than its predecessor and have some data type problems cleared up. This should make generating a supporting form using XForms and InfoPath easier. This may be some help.</p>
<p>Also some of the things that make usable, portable structured resumes so hard aren&#8217;t necessarily technical reasons. Every social network site, job board, etc. has a resume/profile building tool. Once they have collected structured, fielded data, it would be very easy to generate some sort of &#8220;portable&#8221; XML file for the candidate. But you then have to ask yourself, what would be the incentive for those sites to want to enable such portability? I know of only one site (a non-profit cooperative arrangement among group of leading German employers) that will return an HR-XML resume to job seekers. Each participating employer will then accept such resume directly.</p>
<p>Is there something out there that would give candidates control and flexibility? I&#8217;m not sure there is something immediately on the horizon. Some of the plugins for WordPress and blogging/social networking platforms seem to have some promise. An ideal plugin might provide a form-driven profile builder that creates the hResume for search engine discovery of some level of detail (skills, location, etc.), but that also captured sufficient detail to allow full profile/resume exchange via HR-XML. Such exchange of might be regulated using a protocol like Liberty&#8217;s  ID-SIS (some work on this in Europe: <a href="http://projectconcordia.org/images/9/9a/Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://projectconcordia.org/images/9/9a/Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf</a> ) or using something like the emerging OpenID Attribute Exchange ( <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0-07.html" rel="nofollow">http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0-07.html</a> ).</p>
<p>All that said, anyone dreaming of Resume interchange nirvana also needs to be aware that for employers, a resume is starting point. I don&#8217;t think the above vision of user-maintained and controlled structured resumes would eliminate those dreaded applications forms. However, what it might do is to provide an easy way to pre-populate those forms with all the usual stuff (contact info, employment history, education, skill summary, etc.).</p>
<p>Short of all of the above &#8211; some of the best, but still underutilized technology for simplifying applications for job seekers are Resume parsers (almost all of which use HR-XML as their intermediate format). The way these work is that they allow candidates to upload their word, pdf, or html (even hresume) resume. The file is then passed to the parser web service, which returns HR-XML, that is used to pre-populate the application form. The job seeker can then make any corrections and fill-in any additional information required. More job sites should have this technology deployed. Unlike all what I&#8217;ve described in the preceding paragraphs, the resume parsers have been around for 9+ years. They work. They save candidates a lot of typing and reduce the &#8220;drop rates&#8221; for career sites and employers.</p>
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		<title>By: matt harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am using ReStructuredText for most notes, presentations, resumes, journals these days.  It&#039;s very palatable in plain text and converts easily to pdf, s5, html, xml when necessary.  
Though it would be nice to add microformat meta data to the rst markup.  Perhaps by just using pre-defined &quot;section headings&quot;, this could be accomplished.... 
Of course I&#039;m sortof a python guy so I&#039;m biased towards it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am using ReStructuredText for most notes, presentations, resumes, journals these days.  It&#8217;s very palatable in plain text and converts easily to pdf, s5, html, xml when necessary.<br />
Though it would be nice to add microformat meta data to the rst markup.  Perhaps by just using pre-defined &#8220;section headings&#8221;, this could be accomplished&#8230;.<br />
Of course I&#8217;m sortof a python guy so I&#8217;m biased towards it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diwaker Gupta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diwaker Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*@abhijit*: Included now, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*@abhijit*: Included now, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit Nadgouda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhijit Nadgouda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite indepth. Since I did not see a direct link, &lt;a title=&quot;Semantic resume&quot; href=&quot;http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hResume&lt;/a&gt; is the microformat for publishing resumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite indepth. Since I did not see a direct link, <a title="Semantic resume" href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume" rel="nofollow">hResume</a> is the microformat for publishing resumes.</p>
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