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	<title>Comments on: Enough with Linux as a second class citizen!</title>
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		<title>By: David N. Welton</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2008/03/18/enough-with-linux-as-a-second-class-citizen/#comment-36015</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Welton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, oops... the wrong URL came out.  The one I wanted to mention was at http://www.leenooks.com - the other one is an Italian site that showcases stores that sell computers with Linux preinstalled.  It&#039;s been well received too, but obviously is limited to Italy:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, oops&#8230; the wrong URL came out.  The one I wanted to mention was at <a href="http://www.leenooks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.leenooks.com</a> &#8211; the other one is an Italian site that showcases stores that sell computers with Linux preinstalled.  It&#8217;s been well received too, but obviously is limited to Italy:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Diwaker Gupta</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2008/03/18/enough-with-linux-as-a-second-class-citizen/#comment-35293</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwaker Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*@david*: Looks cool, thanks! But its in Spanish :-) Are you planning an English/i18n version anytime soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*@david*: Looks cool, thanks! But its in Spanish :-) Are you planning an English/i18n version anytime soon?</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Welton</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2008/03/18/enough-with-linux-as-a-second-class-citizen/#comment-34199</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Welton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

One little bit in the battle that I have helped to start and maintain is the Linux Incompatibility List, at http://www.linuxsi.com.  Basically, it&#039;s a list of stuff that doesn&#039;t work with Linux, and that as a consequence you should avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>One little bit in the battle that I have helped to start and maintain is the Linux Incompatibility List, at <a href="http://www.linuxsi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.linuxsi.com</a>.  Basically, it&#8217;s a list of stuff that doesn&#8217;t work with Linux, and that as a consequence you should avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Diwaker Gupta</title>
		<link>http://floatingsun.net/2008/03/18/enough-with-linux-as-a-second-class-citizen/#comment-34079</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwaker Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*@xed*: Good point. Someone needs to teach these people marketing! I mean even video game consoles have Linux on them these days. So do a lot of the networking equipment, wireless routers, printers and what not. And actually Apple really confuses me. I mean barring their recent announcement and disclosure of some binary formats, Microsoft has had a long history of being anti F/OSS, so they don&#039;t surprise me. Apple, however, seems to be playing a double cross game. On the one hand, they act really nice and friendly to the open source community, and actually have benefited _tremendously_ from things like Darwin, Mach, FreeBSD, Ruby, KHTML and DTrace to name a few. But on the other hand, they go back and stab us in the back by _actively_ making it harder for people to use their hardware with non-Apple software (iPods, iPhone) and their software with other software by using weird formats of their own (Mail.app)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*@xed*: Good point. Someone needs to teach these people marketing! I mean even video game consoles have Linux on them these days. So do a lot of the networking equipment, wireless routers, printers and what not. And actually Apple really confuses me. I mean barring their recent announcement and disclosure of some binary formats, Microsoft has had a long history of being anti F/OSS, so they don&#8217;t surprise me. Apple, however, seems to be playing a double cross game. On the one hand, they act really nice and friendly to the open source community, and actually have benefited _tremendously_ from things like Darwin, Mach, FreeBSD, Ruby, KHTML and DTrace to name a few. But on the other hand, they go back and stab us in the back by _actively_ making it harder for people to use their hardware with non-Apple software (iPods, iPhone) and their software with other software by using weird formats of their own (Mail.app)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your post.  You ask some good questions.  I&#039;d like to offer my explanation for one of them. 

&quot;But then why does Apple release Safari for Windows and Mac only?&quot;  The answer is in your question.  Steve Jobs has nothing to fear from Microsoft.  He is much smarter than Steve Ballmer.  He has outsmarted them at every turn in spite of the fact that Microsoft dwarfs Apple in size and resources.  But Steve Jobs has everything to fear from Open Source and Linux.  He knows we can&#039;t be defeated using traditional business practices.  My guess is that he is hoping that Open Source will effectively eliminate Microsoft from the market place and then he can make a &quot;land grab&quot; with Apple.  So he wants to keep Linux at a distance as a competitor, but feed it enough so it can dispatch Microsoft.  I laugh at Steve Ballmer (along with a lot of other people), I fear Steve Jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your post.  You ask some good questions.  I&#8217;d like to offer my explanation for one of them. </p>
<p>&#8220;But then why does Apple release Safari for Windows and Mac only?&#8221;  The answer is in your question.  Steve Jobs has nothing to fear from Microsoft.  He is much smarter than Steve Ballmer.  He has outsmarted them at every turn in spite of the fact that Microsoft dwarfs Apple in size and resources.  But Steve Jobs has everything to fear from Open Source and Linux.  He knows we can&#8217;t be defeated using traditional business practices.  My guess is that he is hoping that Open Source will effectively eliminate Microsoft from the market place and then he can make a &#8220;land grab&#8221; with Apple.  So he wants to keep Linux at a distance as a competitor, but feed it enough so it can dispatch Microsoft.  I laugh at Steve Ballmer (along with a lot of other people), I fear Steve Jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The absurd evidence makes me wonder about coercion from software entities more powerful than Linux. I have seen many retail boxes of completely platform-agnostic devices that have MSFT and AAPL logos on them, but no Linux endorsement. On something like a USB drive which obviously is going to work on Linux, omitting the free-to-use cute penguin just seems like a martketing faux pas. People who really don&#039;t know anything would be assured that this devices works with things they don&#039;t even know about. And for those who recognize Linux&#039;s branding, it will assure them that competent people, i.e. Linux users, use this device. To leave Linux off the list unnecessarily really makes me wonder. You can imagine the owner of a copyrighted branding saying, &quot;It&#039;s the penguin *or* us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absurd evidence makes me wonder about coercion from software entities more powerful than Linux. I have seen many retail boxes of completely platform-agnostic devices that have MSFT and AAPL logos on them, but no Linux endorsement. On something like a USB drive which obviously is going to work on Linux, omitting the free-to-use cute penguin just seems like a martketing faux pas. People who really don&#8217;t know anything would be assured that this devices works with things they don&#8217;t even know about. And for those who recognize Linux&#8217;s branding, it will assure them that competent people, i.e. Linux users, use this device. To leave Linux off the list unnecessarily really makes me wonder. You can imagine the owner of a copyrighted branding saying, &#8220;It&#8217;s the penguin *or* us.&#8221;</p>
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